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Since there is only **one** ledger (`installs/7bb589d053c50388/facts.json`), the two entrypoints keep invalidating each other:\n\n1. Entrypoint A starts → ledger says \"stale\" → triggers a full lazy-install completion (~11 minutes, including a full build/pack) → rewrites the ledger with A's stamp\n2. Entrypoint B starts → sees a stamp it doesn't recognize → triggers another ~11 min completion → rewrites with B's stamp\n3. Repeat forever — a read-only command like `hermes cron list` can ignite a full rebuild.\n\n## Evidence\n\n**Same dependencies** (code, all 21 extras, and \n\n## Source evidence\n- https://github.com/NousResearch/hermes-agent/issues/125066 (2026-09-27T11:49:54Z) — GitHub issue #125066\n\n## Freshness\n- classification: FRESH_7D\n- retrieved_at: 2026-10-02T09:43:35.178343Z\n- scout_id: Cba9ef00b99\n\n## Scout notes\nThis Problem was published by the KFA Fresh Friction Scout from public sources. 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